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quote originally posted by wembly:
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"Margin of Safety" as the Central Concept of Betting
A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals that they should have produced. The expected number of goals in excess of the actual number of goals constitutes the "margin of safety". The margin is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a performance decline in the upcoming fixture. The soccer bettor does not expect the upcoming fixture to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the safety margin demanded might be small. The function of a safety margin is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the upcoming fixture. If the safety margin is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's upcoming performance will not fall far below their expected goals in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The safety margin is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a safety margin in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the margin guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
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quote originally posted by Fahrenheit:
Tq bro Wembly



Fahrenheit, allow me to ask you a question and do answer me as genuinely as you may feel.

If I were to persistently congratulate you on a winning pick in each of your threads of consolidated picks, say with an outlay of $1000 and that one and only winning pick returns $300, ie culminating in a net loss of $700, how would you feel ?
 

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quote originally posted by wembly:
Fahrenheit, allow me to ask you a question and do answer me as genuinely as you may feel.

If I were to persistently congratulate you on a winning pick in each of your threads of consolidated picks, say with an outlay of $1000 and that one and only winning pick returns $300, ie culminating in a net loss of $700, how would you feel ?
  This message was edited by wembly on 10-Mar-2024 at 9:31 PM



I appreciate the attention  you have paid to my threads and the support you have given by wishing me good luck and congrats.

First of all, i will not discuss about my actual P&L. I will answer from the POV of sharing a snapshot of my handicapping spreadsheet with the bros here , and to receive validation/support from the AB community.

If there were no "Max 3 threads on main page" or "24 hours interval" rule, i would have posted one thread for each pick. And people would have congratulated me based on that particular pick. 

Or if i were to consolidate everything in one thread regardless of league, then most certainly i won't receive congrats because either the result is most likely a net loss, or the list is too long for anyone to verify whether i won or loss on aggregate.

My answer to your question would then be a philosophical one, coz if i hadn't consolidated the picks  into one thread, then what difference does it make to you whether you congratulated me on that particular pick,as opposed to if i were to consolidate them in one thread?

There's the joy of feeling validated when i receive congratulations for a winning pick, but since a consolidated thread usually posts a net loss, so it's perfectly fine for me that no one congratulates me for a particular winning pick in that thread.

My handicapping spreadsheet is a work-in-progress, and i'm constantly reviewing how post-match wins/losses relate to the system, which variables need fine-tuning, etc. So, i feel encouraged when i receive congrats for winning matches, as this spurs me to keep working on my spreadsheet.
  




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A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals that they should have produced. The expected number of goals in excess of the actual number of goals constitutes the "margin of safety". The margin is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a performance decline in the upcoming fixture. The soccer bettor does not expect the upcoming fixture to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the safety margin demanded might be small. The function of a safety margin is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the upcoming fixture. If the safety margin is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's upcoming performance will not fall far below their expected goals in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The safety margin is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a safety margin in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the margin guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
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quote originally posted by Fahrenheit:
I appreciate the attention  you have paid to my threads and the support you have given by wishing me good luck and congrats.

First of all, i will not discuss about my actual P&L. I will answer from the POV of sharing a snapshot of my handicapping spreadsheet with the bros here , and to receive validation/support from the AB community.

If there were no "Max 3 threads on main page" or "24 hours interval" rule, i would have posted one thread for each pick. And people would have congratulated me based on that particular pick. 

Or if i were to consolidate everything in one thread regardless of league, then most certainly i won't receive congrats because either the result is most likely a net loss, or the list is too long for anyone to verify whether i won or loss on aggregate.

My answer to your question would then be a philosophical one, coz if i hadn't consolidated the picks  into one thread, then what difference does it make to you whether you congratulated me on that particular pick,as opposed to if i were to consolidate them in one thread?

There's the joy of feeling validated when i receive congratulations for a winning pick, but since a consolidated thread usually posts a net loss, so it's perfectly fine for me that no one congratulates me for a particular winning pick in that thread.

My handicapping spreadsheet is a work-in-progress, and i'm constantly reviewing how post-match wins/losses relate to the system, which variables need fine-tuning, etc. So, i feel encouraged when i receive congrats for winning matches, as this spurs me to keep working on my spreadsheet.



I think you do not understand my question.

Let me rephrase it.
You think it's appropriate  for me to single out just one or two winning picks to congratulate you when it's an overall net loss? ( I do mean a hefty net loss and not a 50-50 scenario) and of course I'm not just referring to a one-off incidence.
  

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quote originally posted by wembly:
I think you do not understand my question.

Let me rephrase it.
You think it's appropriate  for me to single out just one or two winning picks to congratulate you when it's an overall net loss? ( I do mean a hefty net loss and not a 50-50 scenario)
  This message was edited by wembly on 10-Mar-2024 at 10:25 PM


If AB privately consisted of just you and me, i certainly don't mind, coz as i said, i feel encouraged and validated.

But since a thread is in the public, then it is "wrong" for you to congratulate me when it's clear to others that i have lost on aggregate.

 

This message was edited by Fahrenheit on 10-Mar-2024 at 10:33 PM




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A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals that they should have produced. The expected number of goals in excess of the actual number of goals constitutes the "margin of safety". The margin is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a performance decline in the upcoming fixture. The soccer bettor does not expect the upcoming fixture to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the safety margin demanded might be small. The function of a safety margin is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the upcoming fixture. If the safety margin is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's upcoming performance will not fall far below their expected goals in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The safety margin is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a safety margin in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the margin guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
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quote originally posted by Fahrenheit:
If AB privately consisted of just you and me, i certainly don't mind, coz as i said, i feel encouraged and validated.

But since a thread is in the public, then it is "wrong" for you to congratulate me when it's clear to others that i have lost on aggregate.

  This message was edited by Fahrenheit on 10-Mar-2024 at 10:33 PM



Thanks for your input.

I absolutely agree with you simply because as a bettor, I won't enjoy others congratulating me after incurring huge losses. That winning bet is scant consolation.

Whether it's right or wrong to the forum is secondary.
 

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quote originally posted by wembly:
Thanks for your input.

I absolutely agree with you simply because as a bettor, I won't enjoy others congratulating me after incurring huge losses. That winning bet is scant consolation.

Whether it's right or wrong to the forum is secondary.
  This message was edited by wembly on 10-Mar-2024 at 10:39 PM


I distiniguished between "in private" and "in public", coz a betting forum like AB has kept going until this day because it's a micro-cosm of human nature, we seek validation for our success and try to avoid the shame of our failure. Mechanisms like promotion, medals and all that. If it's not that, then we all would have just kept our bets to ourselves.

 




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A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals that they should have produced. The expected number of goals in excess of the actual number of goals constitutes the "margin of safety". The margin is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a performance decline in the upcoming fixture. The soccer bettor does not expect the upcoming fixture to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the safety margin demanded might be small. The function of a safety margin is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the upcoming fixture. If the safety margin is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's upcoming performance will not fall far below their expected goals in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The safety margin is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a safety margin in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the margin guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)

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"Margin of Safety" as the Central Concept of Betting
A team's past ability to create quality chances is the expected number of goals that they should have produced. The expected number of goals in excess of the actual number of goals constitutes the "margin of safety". The margin is counted on to cushion the bettor against discomfiture in the event of a performance decline in the upcoming fixture. The soccer bettor does not expect the upcoming fixture to work out the same as in the past. If he were sure of that, the safety margin demanded might be small. The function of a safety margin is, in essence, that of rendering unnecessary an accurate estimate of the team's winning probability in the upcoming fixture. If the safety margin is sufficiently large, then it is enough to assume that the team's upcoming performance will not fall far below their expected goals in order for the bettor to feel sufficiently cushioned against bad luck. The safety margin is always dependent on the odds that the bettor accepts from the bookie. It will be large in certain odds, small at some lower odds, and negative when the odds is too low. However, even with a safety margin in the bettor's favour, he may lose his bet. For the margin guarantees only that he has a better chance of winning - not that loss is impossible. 
Theory of Diversification
There is a close logical connection between the concept of safety margin and the principle of diversification. One is correlative with the other. Even with a margin in the bettor’s favor, an individual bet may work out badly. But as the number of such commitments is increased the more certain does it become that the aggregate of the profits will exceed the aggregate of the losses. This point may be made more colorful by a reference to the arithmetic of roulette. If a man bets $1 on a single number, he is paid $35 profit when he wins—but the chances are 37 to 1 that he will lose. He has a “negative margin of safety.” In his case diversification is foolish. The more numbers he bets on, the smaller his chance of ending with a profit. If he regularly bets $1 on every number (including 0 and 00), he is certain to lose $2 on each turn of the wheel. But suppose the winner received $39 profit instead of $35. Then he would have a small but important margin of safety. Therefore, the more numbers he wagers on, the better his chance of gain. And he could be certain of winning $2 on every spin by simply betting $1 each on all the numbers. (Incidentally, the two examples given actually describe the respective positions of the player and proprietor of a wheel with a 0 and 00.)

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